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« on: February 07, 2010, 01:26:03 PM »

Inquiring minds want to know.  Soon?
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« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2010, 10:39:26 AM »

She did not make the 2010 project deck.
Log your vote for the Walther PPS.  Here's the link.  http://www.crimsontrace.com/Home/Support/RequestNewModels/tabid/170/Default.aspx

Not a bad looking gun.  I haven't had a chance to shoot it though.


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« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2010, 01:15:06 PM »

Nate, she's a popular gun.  And I would get a CT in a heartbeat if available now.  Cry
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« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2010, 02:21:42 PM »

She did not make the 2010 project deck.
Log your vote for the Walther PPS.  Here's the link.  http://www.crimsontrace.com/Home/Support/RequestNewModels/tabid/170/Default.aspx

Not a bad looking gun.  I haven't had a chance to shoot it though.



Nate:

They are superior in build quality to the Kahr pistols.  And my experience is that they are also more accurate and comfortable to shoot than the Kahrs as well.   And they operate and disassemble pretty much just like a Glock. 

I'm also hoping that they make it for a 2011 introduction. 

My Walther PPS is currently extremely jealous that my Kahr PM9 now has a Crimson Trace laser on it.    You guys need to help me out here!!!!  My PPS is upset!!!


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« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2010, 03:01:26 PM »

The day can not come soon enough!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2010, 06:00:35 AM »

I own two of the pistols now, as I also bought one in .40 S&W.

So I need to place an order for two Walther PPS Lasergrips:


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« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2010, 03:04:56 PM »

She did not make the 2010 project deck.

Not a bad looking gun.  I haven't had a chance to shoot it though.


Has Crimson Trace made a definite decision NOT to support the Walther PPS?   Were their technical problems encountered in creating a product for this handgun?   Was the fact that the grip insert also acts as a safety prove to be an obstacle?   Did your engineers not consider it to be a suitable candidate for a LaserGuard model either?

The PPS has been out on the market for some years now.   Walther even added a .40 S&W version a couple of years ago. 

It is rather disappointing to see you announcing a product for such a new handgun as the Ruger SR-9c, while you have neglected a far superior handgun that has been available on the market for so much longer.

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« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2010, 02:50:34 AM »

No comment of any kind at all?  Huh

NOTE:   You really should update and enhance your product request form.

For you don't have any option at all on it so that a person can indicate any preference for either a LaserGuard or LaserGrip solution for a handgun.

I guess that the unique design of the PPS has made it unsuitable for either of your laser products.   For the magazine release on the gun would conflict with a LaserGuard product.   And perhaps the rear grip insert design is so unique and different, that it makes designing a LaserGrip all but impossible too.

Oh well, that is really too bad, as it is such a great gun.   But I realize now that its features may make it very difficult for you to come up with a product for it.



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« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2010, 08:09:43 PM »

As a current LG-431 owner who also happens to own a PPS, I can honestly say that if CT offered a unit for the PPS I would already own one and so would two more of my local friends who each also have a PPS.  I'm someone who practices regularly with iron sights and already has night sights, but lasers certainly have their place ... most notably in self-defense situations where one cannot bring the gun up or cannot extend the gun out to sight with iron sights.

As an owner of the PPS who knows his well enough to have torn it down into nothing but a pile of parts and re-assembled it, I see the challenges with designing for the PPS.  The removable PPS backstrap makes adaptation of existing CT grip-based systems problematic.  The ambidextrous PPS magazine release location makes adaptation of existing CT trigger-guard-based systems problematic ... and also causes loss of the rail.

Hopefully CT realizes that many (most?) PPS owners use some form of grip sleeve.  Also, many (most?) PPS owners also find the removable backstrap to be an annoyance.  (Some have gone so far as to super-glue it or loctite it permanently to the pistol.)  Thus, if avoiding the loss of backstrap functionality is a design criteria, know that it wouldn't cause many (most?) PPS owners to lose any sleep.  Frankly, an adapted grip-based system that causes the backstrap to be unremoveable (securing it into place) might be a solid way to go -- as some (many? most?) would see this as a boon if they were inclined toward use of a laser.  However, if this is considered I'd recommend hitting ppstalk.com and www.waltherforums.com to poll those userbases and get a feel for reaction...

If a new mold (pricey, pricey) has to be done, anyway, one that replaces the backstrap but preserves its functionality ... with the components inside that particular space ... would work very, very well.  There's lots of space to work with and one would simply need an extension off to the right of the slide (when viewed with the gun sighted) to bring the wiring/ribbon up from the back of the gun into a supported laser (a la grip-based systems).  This would also allow for unimpeded use of grip sleeves and be very sleek. Having seen the innards of my LG-431, I know you don't need much space, so really I doubt there's an issue.

The only ugly parts of a backstrap replacement approach are:
A) licensing -- do you have to license from Walther to do this?  (I'd hope not...)
B) The PPS has two different-sized backstraps and you'd want to do only one new mold to keep costs down and maximize profit.  Polling the active PPS user communities as to which size is preferred may yield guidance should you choose to go this route.

For what it's worth, I am a small-framed, small-handed, short/thin-fingered, slight-of-build man and I use the large backstrap; use of it spread load on my hand better (reduced felt recoil) and tightened my groupings.  (The small backstrap caused the gun to shift more than I liked.)

Were either of the two approaches above to be taken and if I had a choice, I'd prefer the latter -- specifically because it makes installation/removal of the laser VERY quick and easy, which simplifies battery replacement, swap to non-laser config, and the like.  (No screws, no allen wrenches, just pop on/off and go.)  This may also be a design consideration, as it means fewer parts and reduced complexity.

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